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- Killing Airtime With Noah's Ark
The proliferation of channels on American television has led to the inevitable ... channels full of crap meant to fill airtime. Its much easier on Hollywood to just regurgitate bilge than to make the effort to produce quality stuff.
Case in point: Tonight, the National Geographic Channel is broadcasting a documentary about the search for Noahs Ark. This issue was put to rest a long time ago, but not even a company like National Geographic, it seems, is immune to trotting out such vomit now and again.
All previous attempts to document a surviving Noahs Ark have proven false, and all reports of it having been found, either wrong, or outright frauds (such as CBSs 1993 special). One would think that media outlets would shy away from Noahs Ark specials ... but not in America! People still eat it up, apparently, even if such searches are the exclusive realm of frauds and pseudoscientists. That doesnt matter ... this Noahs Ark crap just keeps coming back up repeatedly.
As we move into the 21st century, instead of learning to do without such primitive mythology, Americans are now shoving new technology (such as global satellite imaging) at the problem of finding it. The yearning for confirmation of irrational and groundless beliefs is still very strong unfortunately.
Just think what the mass media could accomplish, if it didnt waste time on ancient mythology. Just think what new technologies could do, if they werent twisted into confirming baseless metaphysics. But Americans are too primitive to let that happen.
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:03:32 GMT
- Facing Facts
By now you all know about the attempted car-bombings in London and the successful (albeit without casualties) one at Glasgow Airport this weekend. You may also know as the vast majority of the occidental world does that Islamist terrorists were responsible.
But if you listen to the British government, you get a different story; pleas, essentially, not to leap to conclusions. For example, we have Londons mayor, Ken Livingstone:
London's Mayor Ken Livingstone today urged people not to demonise Muslims in the wake of the failed car bombs in the capital....
All I am interested in as mayor is that we try to prevent all acts of violence whether it is by a disaffected young member of the BNP or whether it is by an Islamist or a Wahhabist supporter, he said.
While the mayor is definitely correct that the Islamist terrorists are only a minority of Muslims, the fact remains that its only the Muslim community who can filter them out. Theyre the ones in the best position to know who the terrorists are and either deconvert them from terrorist thinking, or turn them over to the authorities.
Telling everyone not to leap to conclusions about Muslims doesnt help, because it lets Muslims as a whole off the hook and provides an excuse for them to act as if nothing is wrong. But the fact is that there is something very wrong. There really are Islamist terrorists embedded in Muslim communities around the world. They do exist. It may not be fair, but its other Muslims who are the only ones capable of doing something about them. We do not live in a fair world (last I knew).
Muslims who dont want to be associated with the terrorist minority in their community, can do something about it ... shut the terrorists down! Deconvert them. Ostracize them. Watch them. Turn them in to the authorities. Do whatever it takes. As I said, I fully admit this is not fair to the good Muslims, however, thats just the way the world is. (If they dont like having to live in an unfair world, they should take that up with al-Lah.
Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:05:08 GMT
- Scriptural Campaigning
The 2008 presidential race may set a new record in Bible-quoting by candidates. Theyre climbing all over each other in an effort to appear Biblically-attuned.
Its normal, of course, to hear Biblical pontification from Republican candidates; it may as well be a requirement for them. But this time around, Democrats are going at it, too. Barack Obama, Senator from IL, is becoming well-known for it.
Why are they doing this? Probably for several reasons. One of the reasons may be the increasing religiosity of public discourse in the country. Over the last decade or so the Religious Right has worked to divide the country along religious lines (of course, as they see them). Theyve painted themselves as loyal supporters of everything good and Godly, and their opponents as secularists who are anti-God. The phrase secular humanist carries a rather sinister connotation, in the minds of many (nearly as sinister as Nazi).
Polls confirm that Americans do not trust the secular and godless; a Gallup poll earlier this year showed that a whopping 53% of Americans would not vote for an atheist of their own party! This particular poll found that voters were more likely to accept a Mormon and a 72-year-old candidate, than an atheist.
Candidates of both parties must, therefore, make a conscious effort to let everyone know that theyre religious ... because if they dont, over half of the country will not consider them for office and no politician can ever become elected to anything if half of the voters are against him/her.
Whats astonishing is that 53% figure. Somewhere around 25% of the country are evangelical Christians who quite obviously would never vote for an atheist ... but this means there are at least 25% more who are not as reactionary as the evangelicals, but still would not accept an atheist. Unfortunately this Gallup poll did not plumb the minds of these people to find out why they dislike or distrust atheists.
Some have said that atheists are the last group in the country that its acceptable to discriminate against. These and other polls certainly bear this out, and the behavior of the 2008 candidates also supports this.
And here I thought wed entered the 21st century. Silly me.
Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:17:55 GMT
- Faith-Based Initiatives Goes To Court
This Monday the US Supreme Court made a ruling in the case involving the Bush administrations faith-based initiatives:
A divided Supreme Court yesterday stopped an atheist group's lawsuit against President Bush's faith-based initiative, ruling that the plaintiffs do not have standing in the case and thus enabling Bush to continue a program he created by executive order without congressional approval.
While many even in the mainstream media, who should know better! have reported this as a ruling by the Court supporting faith-based initiatives, this is not the case! As the paragraph above explains, what the Court decided was not that the faith-based initiatives are Constitutional; rather the Court decided that the plaintiffs didnt have standing to bring suit in the matter. That is, merely being a taxpayer is not enough to bring suit over a government program.
This is pretty much what the Court has been doing with these SOCAS (separation of church and state) cases over the past few years ... dodging a decision. They did the same thing with the Newdow pledge of allegiance case a couple years ago, ruling that Newdow didnt have standing to sue on behalf of his daughter. (In many ways their ruling in his case will have a greater effect on lawsuits involving children and non-custodial parents, than it will over the SOCAS issue.)
On Monday, then, the Court swerved out of the way of making a decision on the SOCAS issue.
Whats remarkable here is that, while many liberals have painted the Bush Court as conservative reactionaries eager to upend SOCAS, they have in fact declined at least two recent opportunities to do precisely that. The idea of activist or reactionary Supreme Court justices whore foaming at the mouth to make the US into a theocracy, is simply not borne out by the evidence. Historically, and as a body, the Supreme Court is a cautious institution, and even though its overwhelmingly conservative, were seeing that very caution in action.
The real effect of this decision will have less to do with SOCAS than with the matter of standing. In fact, I find it more disturbing that taxpayers simply by virtue of being taxpayers cannot bring suit to halt or modify government practices. It is, as far as I can tell, a bad precedent; it reduces one means of redress of grievances (which the First Amendment provides for).
Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:28:53 GMT
- Sanity in the UK
According to The Register, the UK has definitively kicked intelligent design out of science curricula:
The government has announced that it will publish guidance for schools on how creationism and intelligent design relate to science teaching, and has reiterated that it sees no place for either on the science curriculum.
It has also defined Intelligent Design, the idea that life is too complex to have arisen without the guiding hand of a greater intelligence, as a religion, along with creationism.
Alas and alack, while the UK takes this courageous stand in favor of science and the future, the US continues sliding back into the Dark Ages of primitive metaphysical thought; its home, for example, to the newly-opened Creation Museum. Sigh.
Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:59:01 GMT
- Law of Attraction, or Law of Selling Books and Movies?
The last couple of years have seen a lot of New Age tripe being spewed over something called the Law of Attraction. Essentially its Norman Vincent Peale repackaged for channelers, crystal-lovers, astrologers, and assorted other New Age gibberishians.
The Skeptics Dictionary has a good article on this so-called law. Supposedly its scientifically proven (if The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? are to be believed). Id like to know what peer-reviewed, credentialed scientific journal has published this scientific proof?
{crickets chirping} {crickets chirping} {crickets chirping} X
I thought so.
Id also like to know what legislative body or other law-giving person or agency passed this law? Have you heard about it? Does anyone have photos or video footage of the signing?
{crickets chirping} {crickets chirping} {crickets chirping} X
I thought so.
The idea that our thoughts create our reality is patently absurd. If it were true, everyone on the planet would be deliriously happy and we wouldnt even be thinking about this. Aside from that, there are many specific circumstances in which this principle doesnt hold up. Im sure, for instance, that many people dying of starvation in the Third World would think themselves food. But they cant. No amount of thought is going to fill their stomachs, when there is no food to be had.
Sorry to break it to New Age gibberish-lovers ... but unfortunately for us, our thoughts do not create reality. And no, Im not holding my breath waiting for the putative scientific proof that its true.
P.S. Even otherwise-smart people are stupid enough to believe that someone passed a law of attraction; for instance, Oprah Winfrey recently shilled for The Secret but had to backtrack a bit, according to Slate magazine. Then again, Oprah has been taken in by other scams (like the so-called memoirs of James Frey, which were demonstrated to be utter fiction); yet more evidence that success doesnt make one smart using ones brain makes one smart.
Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:12:03 GMT
- Misdirected Outrage, or the Integrity of Skepticism
This story goes back to January of this year but it shows what it means to be skeptical ... i.e. skeptics should never take the word of anyone or anything, even if on the surface it fits in with our preconceptions.
Heres the story behind this story. I came across an entry on RichardDawkins.Net, which passed along a story by a group called PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility). My gut reaction was to think, how typical, the Bush administration using the Park Service to promote creationism and undermine science. Thankfully, at the top of the story on Dawkinss site is a link to an update from eSkeptic correcting their own coverage of this story:
Fact Checking 101
How Skeptic magazine was Duped
by an Environmental Activist Group
Unfortunately, in our eagerness to find additional examples of the inappropriate intrusion of religion in American public life (as if we actually needed more), we accepted this claim by PEER without calling the National Park Service (NPS) or the Grand Canyon National Park (GCNP) to check it. As a testimony to the quality of our readers, however, dozens immediately phoned both NPS and GCNP, only to discover that the claim is absolutely false.
This eSkeptic correction story goes on to include testimony from its readers and Park interpreters, to confirm the falsity of PEERs claim, and described eSkeptics own investigation into the matter. Along the way it reveals the duplicity by which PEERs director, Jeff Ruch, attempted to evade eSkeptics questioning.
Id just like to point out that it appears eSkeptic and the Dawkins site both practiced the skepticism they preach; also they were not only willing to face up to having been duped, but eSkeptic actually related at length its attempts to verify the situation and attempt to get answers from the group that made the false claim.
Id also like to admit (again) that I too fell for it, at least at first, and only realized something was wrong when I gave the article on Dawkinss site a second look-through and noticed the update. (Which on hindsight was rather prominent, being in bold type at the top of the story.) Note too that others were taken in by PEER ... e.g Garry Trudeau and his comic, Doonesbury.
Now, I have no idea who or what PEER is, even after having visited their site. What I can say is that they certainly did misrepresent the Park Service policy, and when challenged by eSkeptic, provided false confirmation. Their credibility is limited.
At any rate, the point here is: Question everything. Analyze, investigate, and dont leap to conclusions. You may have heard the saying Question authority; Id take that two steps farther: 1) question those who tell you to question authority; and 2) question the desire to question authority.
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:55:58 GMT
- Relentless Compromise Into Religiosity
The Chesterfield County (Virginia) school board recently faced the problem of intelligent design in its science classrooms. Initially they held the line against this religious movement, but under pressure, they adopted a compromise:
In the end, members unanimously approved the proposed textbooks [which described evolution exclusively], but issued a formal statement saying, It is the School Boards belief that this topic, along with all other topics that raise differences of thought and opinion, should receive the thorough and unrestricted study as we have just articulated. Accordingly, we direct our superintendent to charge those of our professionals who support curriculum development and implementation with the responsibility to investigate and develop processes that encompass a comprehensive approach to the teaching and learning of these topics.
Injecting religion, even just mention of it, into public-school science classrooms is not comprehensive, as it has nothing to do with science. Whats unfortunate about this episode is that, while the Chesterfield school board had adopted a reasonable pro-science position, they somehow felt the need to compromise in such a way as to direct administrators and teachers to veer into religious territory by suggesting that evolution not be the only theory of human origins taught in science classes. This is bad, however, since there is no current scientific theory of human origins other than evolution. Nothing need be added in order to make science classes comprehensive.
While compromise is not always a bad thing, in this case, it is, because ultimately, there can be no compromise with religionists. Rebuked by the Supreme Court in the Edwards v. Aguilar decision (which declared creationism to be a religion which had no place in public schools), they didnt miss a beat ... they just devised a new label for it (i.e. intelligent design) and kept right on going. If they dont respect the Supreme Court and the U.S. Constitution, believing their mission to proselytize kids to be so sacred that they need not obey the rule of law or the Constitution, then no amount of compromise with them is possible. Their presumption of being above the law is irrational, and dealing with irrational people is a fools errand. Any compromise reached with them, then, is a concession rather than an agreement reached in good faith. As a rule, compromising with extremists and ideologues only fuels them.
I hope the Chesterfield school board rethinks its concession to the religionists, and again asserts that evolution being the only current scientific theory for human origins is therefore the only theory which will be taught in its science classrooms. Its not too late for them to change their concession into a defeat for the forces of ignorance.
Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:11:22 GMT
- Christian Hypocrisy!
Televangelist Patty Robertson is at it again, critiquing Islam but simultaneously (and unintentionally) exposing some of the faults of his own religion, Christianity:
[Robertson said] Ladies and gentlemen, we have to recognize that Islam is not a religion. It is a worldwide political movement meant on domination of the world. And it is meant to subjugate all people under Islamic law. ...
He characterized the American Muslim community as Islam light and went on to say Muslims want to take over and we want to impose Sharia on you. And before long, ladies are going to be dressed in burqas and whatever garments they would put on them, and next thing you know, men are going to be allowed to have wife-beating and you'll be beheading adulterers and so on and so forth.
What Patty boy doesnt mention is that, in the US, there is a significant Christian-fundamentalist movement called dominion theology (or Christian reconstructionism). This movement wants to destroy the Constitution of the US and replace it with the Old Testament, establishing a Judges-era theocracy. Crimes such as blasphemy, homosexuality, heresy, etc. would not only be prosecuted, but the punishment would be death.
I wont argue with Robertsons assessment of Islam, at least regard to some Muslims. That there are extremist Muslims is not at issue, and the fact that theyre willing to engage in drasting acts such as suicide-bombings not found in other religions makes it clear that Islam has more potential for danger, at this moment, than any other major religion.
Although the Patster isnt a dominionist (so far as I know), many of his sheep ... er, followers ... are. But even if they werent, the fact remains that he complains about an aspect of Islam which can also be true of Christianity. Theres a very real, palpable, and sinister push from Christian fundamentalists toward making the US in the direction of a theocracy just as dangerous as any proposed by any radical Islamist group. The Patster should complain about them as well ... but curiously (or perhaps not?), he doesnt.
Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:36:35 GMT
- When In Doubt, Pander to the Ignorant
The Republican candidates for president in the 2008 election are trying to differentiate themselves and get ahead of the front-runners, Senator John McCain (AZ) and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani. One way theyre doing this is by appealing to the ignorant religious core of the GOP, aka the Religious Right. This is understandable since the Religious Right have been the Republican king-makers since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. No Republican has been elected since then without having a vast majority of Religious Right support.
Last night they had a debate* in New Hampshire. (Alternative articles can be found here and also here.) Predictably, several of them appealed to religion, currying the favor of the Religious Right.
First, lets hear from Romney:
You could recognize that the values I have are the same values you'll find in faiths around the country, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said, responding to a question about whether his Mormon religion hurts his campaign. I believe in God, believe in the Bible, believe Jesus Christ is my savior. I believe God created man in his image.
Romney, being a Mormon, is trying to assert that hes a Christian too. The reason for this is that many of the Religious Right consider Mormonism to be an aberrant sect, and some even consider it not to be a form of Christianity at all. (This is, of course, incorrect; Mormonism is definitely a form of Christianity since its followers profess faith in Jesus Christ.)
The Tribune article adds:
And three of the candidates explained how they can believe in the Biblical story of creation while not explicitly rejecting the Darwinian theory of evolution.
These three candidates previously asserted absolute belief in creation rather than evolution. Last night, then, they attempted to triangulate, trying to make themselves appear less ignorant (by not explicitly dismissing evolution) while maintaining their faith (thus maintaining their appeal to the Religious Right).
Whats remarkable about this, of course, is these candidates continual use of religion in order to reach voters. Most or all of them are strict constructionists where the Constitution is concerned, and they frequently appeal to Religious Right beliefs about the Founders intent. Yet they fail to understand that strict-construction demands separation of church and state, and as for the Founders intent, they need look no further than the pen of James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights; addressing the matter of Congressional chaplains, he wrote (all spellings are Madisons own):
Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?
In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation.
The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles: The tenets of the chaplains elected [by the majority] shut the door of worship agst the members whose creeds & consciences forbid a participation in that of the majority.
Madisons position is that keeping religion out of politics is necessary in order to make all religions and sects equal and preventing state repression of any given faith. Its hypocritical, then of the Religious Right to appeal to the Founders intent while also using the state to push their religion.
At any rate, its disgusting to see candidates for the countrys highest office pandering to the ignorant, being hypocritical in the process.
*Presidential debates are never actually debates ... rather theyre side-by-side pontification sessions. I have no use for them myself, as they never tell me anything about a candidate I dont already know. Candidates never actually present any genuine argumentation as would be found in a true debate, they just reiterate things theyve been saying in their usual stump-speeches.
Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:11:33 GMT
- Islam and Suicide Bombings
Since the inception of suicide bombings in the Middle East, weve heard the steady refrain that Islam actually forbids suicide under any circumstances. While this is arguable, what isnt, is what Muslims actually think about the issue.
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says....
While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.
That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.
I dont know about you, Gentle Reader, but I find even a minority of 13% to be far too large a number. Its 13% too many. Of course, this article contains the requisite excuse-making and denial:
We have crazies just like other faiths have them, said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nations largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam.
Sorry, Mr Alawan, but that other religions have crazies does not in any way justify doing nothing about them within Islam ... that would be two wrongs make a right thinking and is fallacious. Also, Mr Alawan, whatever Islam teaches according to your own opinion is much less important than what Muslims actually believe. That is, one can talk theory all one wishes to, but what matters is what real, live Muslims really believe, out in the real world.
Its time for the excuse-making, dodges and evasions to stop. Whats needed is for Muslims to start policing their own religion. They have to root out the crazies, and either correct them, or expel them (and perhaps turn them over to the authorities, depending on what theyve done). Nothing else is going to cut it. And whining that other religions have their crazies, so Islam's own crazies are to be left alone, is not only fallacious (as I said above), but immoral ... and last I knew, Islam (being an Abrahamic faith) is strong on morality.
Muslims have to put their morality where their mouths are. I understand it may be very hard for Muslims to expose other Muslims, but morality is rarely easy.
Tue, 22 May 2007 21:52:21 GMT
- Denial in the Extreme
For those of you who dont think religion is evil, have a look at this story. Then try to tell me there's nothing about religion which cannot be used to justify evil:
A woman blames the devil and not her husband for severely burning their infant daughter after the 2-month-old was put in a microwave, a Houston television station reported.
Eva Marie Mauldin said Satan compelled her 19-year-old husband, Joshua Royce Mauldin, to microwave their daughter May 10 because the devil disapproved of Joshua's efforts to become a preacher.
A Galveston County grand jury indicted Joshua Mauldin last week on child injury charges after hearing evidence that he placed his daughter in a motel microwave for 10 to 20 seconds.
Eva Marie Mauldin, the girl's 20-year-old mother, told the television station that her husband is not the monster people are making him out to be. ...
She is hoping to be reunited with her daughter, but Child Protective Services is working to have her and Joshua Mauldin's parental rights severed. A custody hearing for the infant is scheduled for later this week in a Galveston district court.
I fervently hope that this religiously-whacked couple never lays eyes on the child again. Neither is competent to have children in their home, if one can nuke a baby and the other can excuse it as Satans actions. Then again, this is Texas, which one could call the buckle of the Bible belt, and theres a chance this argumentum ad Luciferum (or appeal to the devil) might actually work.
For what its worth, heres a link to the Mauldins MySpace group.
Mon, 21 May 2007 15:05:36 GMT
- Papal Excommunication Threat
Earlier this month, during an excursion to South America, Pope Benedict XVI issued a spiritual threat to Catholic politicians who support abortion rights:
Pope Benedict on Wednesday warned Catholic politicians they risked excommunication from the Church and should not receive communion if they support abortion....
The Pope was asked whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalize abortion in Mexico City.
Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ, he said....
The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favor of abortion have doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future.
Selfishness and fear are at the root of (pro-abortion) legislation, he said. We in the Church have a great struggle to defend life...life is a gift not a threat.
How would the Pope know that selfishness and fear are on the minds of abortion-rights proponents? I wasnt aware that hes telepathic or has a crystal ball allowing him to scry this information. Perhaps he takes after his predecessor, Pope Sylvester II, who dabbled in the occult and had a reputation as a psychic.
(Note: Sylvester II was a medieval scholastic, and many scholastics of his time dabbled in the occult. In fact, other well-known and respected scholastics such as Roger Bacon did the same ... so Sylvesters activities should not be viewed anachronistically as an indication that popes support the occult or the activities of modern psychics.
Sat, 19 May 2007 14:53:07 GMT
- Dobbie Is Upset ... Boo Freakin' Hoo
Poor Dobbie ... I mean, Jim Dobson of Focus on the Family (which really should be called Focus on evangelizing the country or barring that, governing it like an evangelical Christian theocracy). He doesnt like the current front-runner for the Republican nomination for President, Rudy Giuliani:
In a blistering online column, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson wrote that, should the former New York mayor become the nominee, I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran or if worse comes to worst not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life. ...
A conservative Christian evangelical based in Colorado Springs, Colo., Dobson said he was speaking as a private citizen. However, his words carry considerable weight with the some 7 million listeners of his conservative radio show.
Earlier this year, Dobson said he won't back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Dobbie has a problem with all the viable GOP candidates. He hasnt said anything about Mitt Romney, but Romney is a Mormon and many evangelicals like Dobbie dont care for Mormons or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Dobsters problem is that he no longer has any of the major GOP candidates under his Christian-fundamentalist thumb. The only candidates making overtures to Dobbie and the rest of the Religious Right, are strictly bottom-of-the-polls guys like Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, and Tom Tancredo (these are the unholy trinity of candidates about whose rejection of creation I blogged earlier).
Poor, poor baby Dobbie. Wah wah wah. Go home and cry to your mommy, maybe shell wipe your nose for you and tuck you into bed.
P.S. Apologies to the Dobby of Harry Potter fame. Youll notice that although their names sound the same, theyre spelled differently.
P.P.S. Who is the Dobster trying to fool by that speaking as a private citizen crap? As hard as hes worked to make himself a very public person and head of a prominent organization which he has run with an iron fist since founding it, its literally not possible for Dobbie to speak as a private citizen. No one with half a brain would interpret his words as anything other than a clear statement of his organizations thinking on the matter.
Sat, 19 May 2007 00:15:30 GMT